My right-wing friend finds AOC hot so he might actually vote for her if she runs.
She should run if you want JD Vance.
People in america still believe there is going to be an actual election in 2028?
I think running another woman to get absolutely trounced by the populace is a poor choice. I don’t believe the people are ready for it yet, that’s how we ended up with this. Kamala was a good candidate, but with the wrong chromosomes for a very specific swing vote.
She should run for the senate seat when chuck leaves office after he finally comes to his senses.
Look … not that I have anything against women running for president … but … if we haven’t learned twice from the shitty decision making of the voter population, 2028 is not the year to test if the US can get its first woman as president AGAIN. I’m going to chalk this up as democrats just can’t stand to win and the media needs to stop encouraging that line of thinking. We’ll be lucky if there even is a 2028 election. Also, did everyone forget AOC is not in the good graces of kingmaker Pelosi?
Clinton and Harris both lost because they sucked, not because they were women.
This is the realistic take. Racism is bad enough in this country that we just barely squeaked Obama into office as a half-black man. Misogyny is way more widespread. Spend about 5 minutes in an online game chat room and you’ll see what I mean. Not to mention the manosphere/blackpilling are actually growing movements rather than shrinking.
I think AOC is great and that she would make a fine administrator, but let’s keep her in congress for now where she can still do a lot of good for the progressive cause. There’s no need to put someone who the right has spent years building up as the antichrist boogeyman as the frontrunner when we already have a poor track record of prominent female politicians losing the presidential race to the most embarrassingly unqualified candidate in American history.
This is what I was saying to the poster above, that thinks there’d be no problem with a woman running. They clearly haven’t been outside or even in 1 gaming lobby or they’d know how bad it is.
Pelosi looks like she’s one stiff gust of wind from keeling over. Fingers crossed.
I don’t understand what people aren’t getting here.
The last two female candidates to run for president, who were extraordinarily more qualified than their opponent, were denied in favor of a felon rapist clown.
If that isn’t proof that this nation is not ready for a female president, I don’t know what is.
I voted for both those female candidates. I am not against a female president. But can we exist in reality for a moment and acknowledge that if we run AOC, we’re going to lose, again? Because America isn’t ready for that shit. You will not capture independents with a female candidate. You will not capture disenfranchised Trump supporters with a female candidate. You will not win. A mayoral race is not the same as a presidential race and Mamdani is a man and that’s the country we live in.
Nah, the Republiklan got Trump elected twice by rejecting reality and substituting it with their own. Reality isn’t winning elections anymore (hell, maybe it never was). People who inspire passion are. I would back AOC before another milquetoast Dem any day.
Plus, it wasn’t just “women candidates” who lost. Hillary had decades in politics for the Right Wing Propaganda machine to attack. And Kamala had literally no time to build up support. AOC on the otherhand is honestly quite popular amongst her constituency and progressives nationwide. She is someone people vote for.
I placed my votes for Kamala, Biden, and Hillary, but they were all votes cast because of Trump. It would be so fucking nice to cast a vote for the candidate I want to win again.
NGL I’ll take any blue tie but we’ve already shown twice that Americans might actually prefer fascism over a woman in charge.
While those are two possible points of data, there are a number of other factors that contributed to each Democratic candidates’ loss vs. Trump.-
- Both suffered from being establishment candidates in an antiestablishment era.
- Both were only really willing to push to milquetoast progressive policies.
- Both followed disappointing democratic presidents that promised a lot and delivered little, often due to their own party sabotaging attempts at major progressive reform.
I truly think that Democrat voters want real, progressive change (even if they find words like “socialism” scary) but most Democrat politicians aren’t willing to anger their wealthy Third Way/Neoliberal/Abundance/whatever-the-fuck-they-want-to-call-themselves donors.
Exactly.
Americans chose a felon rapist clown fascist over HIGHLY qualified women. Twice.
America is not even close to being ready for a female president.
If we want to lose again, run a woman. That’s the shit reality in this shitty country.
Not to mention AOC is still “green”. Clinton was a Senator, a Secretary of State, and ex-first lady. Kamala was a VP. AOC is just a member of the House.
People need to stop fantasizing and get real. It’s also WAY too early to seriously be talking about this.
Idk if it’s too early to talk about it, but part of the process is definitely weighing the pros and cons.
I remember bullshit like this being spewed about Obama, too. “Obama is too green!” “a black man could NEVER be president. We have never had one before, after all!” (Or are you too young to remember that? I forget there are adults on here now who weren’t even 2-years-old when he was elected.)
… Cue him defeating 2 white successful men by large margins. Doh. Think this through and stop parroting wedge-driving sexist gatekeeping conservative propaganda.
Obama won btw, he didnt lose because he was too green, or black.
How many black candidates lost to white candidates in a post-primary presidential race?
That’s right, zero.
How many female candidates have lost to male candidates in a post-primary presidential race?
Two, or in other words, all of them.
You can make an argument to say that there was racist gatekeeping back when Obama was running, and that was absolutely true, but we never actually had a situation where a political party fronted a black man and lost. We actually do have data that shows that America rejected a female presidential candidate twice. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that America simply isn’t socially developed enough to be capable of looking past the misogyny and we should take that into consideration if our goal is to win.
Ar… Are you really going to use Samples N=1 and N=2 as some sort of statistical relevance? Wtaf?
This logic is most asinine. By that logic, the vast majority of Presidential losses were of white men, and my sample is higher!
Two non-charismatic inauthentic candidates lost, and race and gender had little to do with it because the bigots already coalesce under the maga banner; the problem was that their lack of vision, charisma, authenticity led to the reachable swing-voters either sitting on the couch, or voting for Trump on failed perceptions that he was better for the economy.
When your logic is absolutely ignoring entire swaths of reality, I think its interesting for you to try to attack someone elses logic.
Quaint deflection.
So I guess your excuse if AOC or whatever female candidate the DNC happen to trot out next loses to the next guy, be that JD Vance, some other MAGA nutjob, or even Trump taking a shot at a third term, is that she isn’t charismatic or authentic, is that right?
No, no, it couldn’t possibly be because America has a misogyny problem. I mean, never mind the fact that black men earned the right to vote before any woman did, that’s not relevant at all. History never repeats itself. I’m sure those basement dwelling neckbeards and macho-man wanna-bes will TOTALLY sign on to canvas for AOC. I’m sure her being a woman will not be a factor at all, people will be so enamored with her great policy that they will forget about it entirely!
I think it’s hilarious that if we put Tim Kaine or Biden himself (who was losing by a larger margin than Harris in polling) in, they would’ve lost just the same if not more so… Yet you wouldn’t be here saying, “Golly gee-wizz, I think people are sexist and tired of old white men! I mean, the majority registered voters ARE women after all!” — Therein revealing one’s own gatekeeping sexist dogma.
Alright but Obama was a man, so
Also Hillary was a famously unpopular candidate and still won the popular vote, and there were maaaany confounding factors to a weak democratic race in 2024 apart from Kamala’s gender
She was at one point one of the most popular politicians in America, actually. She polled among the general population alongside Bernie Sanders. People decided she was awful once she started running for president and Social Media campaigns told everyone what to think about her.
Actually Bernie Sanders was outperforming Hillary Clinton in head-to-head matchups against Trump poll after poll.
Umm actually, that didn’t argue counter to anything that I said.
She polled among the general population alongside Bernie Sanders.
If Sanders outperforms Hillary with the general population against their competitor, then they are not “alongside” — Sanders is, in fact, ahead.
Word definitions matter!
at one point
Too bad that point wasn’t during her campaign.
This is complete and total gatekeeping (actual sexism) bullshit that is frequently parroted but not actually analyzed with a modicum of depth, for one actually did, they would realize it has no bearing in reality. If anyone wants me to explain why, I will happily do so.
Have you gone outside? Americans (even women) don’t want a woman president. We are stuck in 1890.
Unlike you I imagine, I actually door-kncoked on GOP and Independent households so yes, dare I say I’ve gone outside while in a battleground state no less.
I say again because there has been no evidence provided to the contrary: There is no evidence Harris lost because she was a woman. Put another way, if we placed Biden in her position or if we placed an identical copy of Harris as a male, she too would’ve lost for a multitude of factors beyond the fact she was a woman (again, because no actual sexist fuck was reachable in the first place for Democrats and never are).
Sure, there’s other factors, but even if they were exactly what voters wanted, there would be a stigma around it. I mean, even women hate women and actively vote to sabotage their own Healthcare so it’s not really based on any logic. Maybe in 20 years when the olds are gone, and IF the youngs don’t get brainwashed by Tate types, there could be a female president.
I say again because there has been no evidence provided to the contrary
Twice americans chose the fascist over the woman. Now Americans won’t have free elections anymore so they will never have a female president unless her last name is Trump maybe. So I guess they got what they wanted.
I voted for the female candidates, they both lost. The gender divide in congress is 7:18, only 28% of elected federal representatives are women. Gen Z voters were divided along gender lines between Trump and Harris. I don’t know how to fix this problem, but ignoring it is not the solution.
This has fundamentally zero bearing on the actual outcome of sexism; there are many less female candidates seeking office in the first place for starters.
A majority of registered voters are women A majority of actual voters are consistently women
There is just as much risk of women getting pissed off and protesting and staying home because they are tired for voting male candidates.
There is zero evidence a woman cannot win. You just can’t run inauthentic consultancy-crafted non-charismatic candidates, and BOTH Hillary and Kamala were. Mind you, the same holds true for men. Go ahead and just try to run Tim Kaine and see what happens, I dare you.
This made all the more clear by the fact that the vast vast vast majority of misogynistic sexist bigots are already a firm part of the conservative maga base —And so they were Never. Up. For. Grabs in the first place.
28% of congress is female, 50.5% of the general population and their ratio gets higher in the average age group that corresponds to congress’. The percentage of people enthusiastic about a female president is down since 2015, a third of voters today say they are not ready for a female president.
We’re not talking about convincing a population of unbiased, nonprejudiced people. We’re talking about convincing a nation full of hateful assholes. A lot of republican voters will mobilize solely to keep women out of power.
a third of voters today say they are not ready for a female president.
Now intersect that with actual reachable swing-voters and Democrats.
Like I said: that tracks for core dyed-in-the-wool MAGA trash that we will never win nor want beneath our banner.
Let’s not make Faustian bargains, shall we?
There is zero evidence a woman cannot win.
I’ve got a relatively small sample size, but considering the alternative I dont think its worth grandstanding on your soapbox for another 4-8 years just to trot out another losing horse.
Instead of being a gatekeeping sexist, I’m going to continue to reiterate (for lack of evidence and also because it’s the right thing) that sex / gender of the candidate does not matter in the slightest, and the only thing that matters are their policies, their authenticity, and their charisma — male, or female.
Also because there hasn’t been a lick of evidence to suggest Harris lost because she’s a woman. Also because, as I pointed out and you conveniently ignored: All actual sexists were never reachable votes for Democrats in the first place.
We don’t need them, and we don’t fucking want them.
AOC has already demonstrated her extreme willingness to fall in line for the DNC. She will not bring change.
Neoliberals are still openly hostile towards her.
Queen Neoliberal Pelosi spent more time in the lameduck period undermining AOC’s committee appointment than Trump’s Presidency.
That’s good enough for me as a leftist knowing the context that she really is about as left wing as our pathetic, deluded, propagandized, under or miseducated populace could ever elect as we are.
I don’t have any hope anymore, this nation died with Reagan and it’s just a slow falling corpse as far as I’m concerned, but for anyone looking to cling to at least borderline rational hope, someone in her position is your best bet, because she’s a known name, that matters in our shitty celebrity obsessed culture, she proves every day that a leftist can be professional and govern, that matters because leftists are painted as anarchist boogiemen without a plan in most American news media, and she’s photogenic and naturally charasmatic, which shouldn’t matter but sadly does.
There isn’t an individual to the left of her that I can think of that could conceivably get elected President in this cesspool of willful ignorance and systemically stoked division of the poors, can you? Even her becoming President would be a moonshot. That isn’t a knock on her, she’s one of about 4 members of congress (or executives in the fortune 1000) I’d give a glass of water to if they were dying of thirst, that’s a knock on our gold plated shithole and people, not her. She’s a diamond in the rough.
I disagree. Mamdhani has shown it possible to not compromise on basic human rights.
AOC has crossed the line and there is no going back. The mask cannot be put back on.
There is no harm in allying with her but she should not be the leader of the progressive movement.
She’s a diamond in the rough.
True. But she won’t win a presidential election.
Michelle Obama. Less baggage (for better or worse). More beloved.
Lol no.
Whhhhaaaaa… So instead of an elected offical who has been making headlines weekly for the last 6 years, but the unelected wife of the president from 12 years ago?
No. Heck no. No more political dynasties.
Worse politics, plus her favorability would drop as soon as she became an active candidate.
It’s a sad but proven truth that the USA is not ready for a woman president.
I voted for both Hillary and Kamala. But I’m open minded. Too many Americans simply are not.
There is a clear prevailing consensus in the USA (not a correct or good consensus, but nevertheless it’s here) that woman should not be leaders. Even a large percentage of women believe in this.
We NEED to change the consensus. How do we change the consensus? It’s clear that pushing the envelope by making a woman the presidential candidate has not worked. The patriarchal front is dug in too deeply for such a frontal assault.
I believe the first woman president of the USA will be a woman VP who takes over after the president is removed, for whatever reason. A “side door” approach.
I could be wrong. I hope I’m wrong. But I think AOC running for the presidency will put another Republican in the White House.
That’s how Canada got its first female PM, and it has not resulted in any more. I don’t really think it’s going to have the feminist effect you are hoping for.
My honest opinion is that both Clinton and Harris lost to Trump because people wanted Trump. Biden won despite being a paper bag because people realized they hated trump. Then they forgot about it.
She has a lot going against her, even if people don’t think there’s a patriarchy issue.
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She’s very active politically and very vocal. Immediate resistance from conservatives.
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She is no friend to AIPAC. She’ll lose a good bit of the Jewish vote
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Policy-wise, she’s decently progressive. She’ll be easily demonized by the right-owned media.
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Voter Suppression. Even if we get a fair election, as soon as the right loses, they’ll martial law up and claim fraud, and you better believe they’ll find what they’re looking for if they have to make it themselves.
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Of course the US is ready. Hillary won the popular vote. Don’t use idosynchroncies of our electoral collage be what determines what US is ready for.
Don’t use idosynchroncies of our electoral collage be what determines what US is ready for.
Those idiosyncrasies are what made a felon rapist clown fascist win over highly qualified women…twice.
She won’t win. Enough people in the right geographical areas are simply not ready for a female president and will happily vote for a fascist instead to prevent it from happening.
It’s not a fluke that of the 3 times Trump has run, he has only lost to a man.
Welcome to America.
Kamala actually won the popular vote too. By a fairly small margin, but she still got more actual votes than Trump. But then there’s the electoral college… Our constitutional dinosaur that has now failed the American people 3 times in the last 7 elections.
Huh?
If you’re saying the reported numbers are inaccurate due to election fraud, fine. Absent that, you are mistaken.
One of my conservative friends (also a woman) said the same thing: women shouldn’t be in power. Stunlocked me for a second.
That’s why conservative women exist. There’s a known phenomenon where the victims of abuse are often the most vociferous defenders of their abusers.
Culturally you see this in things like the defenders of hazing but there’s plenty of science on the topic to back up the observation.
The thing about that, however, is those votes aren’t something you were going to win, ever, and it’s not something you should chase.
If the BIG Bill of Garbage passes, there are no more free elections.
Just passed the Senate by one vote. Back to the House for the finale vote, which is controlled by Republicans.
It’s over fam.
You can kiss this nation goodbye.
Now hunker down for the suffering and death that’s sure to follow.
This is what happens when you give conservatives power. Such a profoundly stupid nation of individuals.
AOC with Harris for VP and Sanders for Dept. of Health.
Why Harris?
Secure “democrat” funding for the campaign, Sanders is too old and “too commie”.
I feel like your (the US’) only hope is a proper grassroots campaign.
Preferential voting or bust.
Because it’s really going to be bust, at this rate.
No way AOC is getting anywhere near the Presidency unless there is a full scale revolution. Sad, but true.
Because there won’t be another election?
Also because both of our major party machines would cooperate in attacking her.
Neoliberals would rather lose power than signal to their bribers that their party isn’t bought and paid for. President Ocasio-Cortez would be such a signal.
The DNC promotes on the basis of potential federal level reps getting bribe money. AOC was a spoiler and is not welcome in the party because of her views. That’s why the Neoliberals in congress don’t care Trump is in office and even help him with appointments.
Neoliberals like Pelosi would lock arms with the Fascists and treat a President AOC like the threat we wished they’d treat their fascist opposition like, but they have too much in common on the same Economic policy they’re both well bribed to enact and protect from us.
Which is why, all the more, AOC is a good choice. The hatred of our true oppressors on Wall Street is welcome. At worst, it will further demonstrate that the American people aren’t permitted by big corpo to have a real choice in governance, only hypercapitalist robber baron enablers paid to divide us on social wedges as they legislate new ways for the owners to monetize sucking us dry.
I think the only legitimate chance Democrats have is Luigi Mangione. You have to fight fire with fire. He’s young, smart, charismatic, from a well to do background, and not even a felon like our current president. Also brave unlike our Republican chickenshit losers. Sanders as running mate.
Luigi Mangione is fine. But he has no experience. What will he bring during discussions ? AOC is ok for president post. But she is not that popular. I mean even Bernie Sanders has not become president despite being in active politics for so many decades. But let’s see what will happen in USA after Trump steps down when his tenure gets over.
But he has no experience.
I’d argue he single-handedly saved thousands of lives via a single action, and if we let him do more, he could save many more.
would that mean the US would have a good chance at having free/universal healthcare?
I’ll bet $1000 that we’ll slip into fascism unless we vote Mangione as a write in. Nobody else has the guts to stand up to these thugs. The guy is paraded around like he’s guilty, and stands tall. Sorry but not even AOC seems able to do anything but talk.
