Yeah cause that’s what we all want. An unseasoned, mayonnaise salad called America.
I hate these stupid religious conservatives who don’t know what critical thinking is. Virus on society.
It is a white Christian nation you genius. You deserve the Darwin Dildo.
This is not a Nazi bar.
Makes me recall when calling out “Trump’s white America” apparently outraged some people in investing forum. Maybe those didn’t like their covers blown.
Are they fucking stupid? Do they not realize HOW MANY MINORITIES EXIST?
And then it well come down to who is white? And some people won’t be the right white and they well go after them.
I pointed this out to some Nazis on Diaspora back in 2016 and their answer was asking how many Jews were in Europe prior to Hitler. They aren’t that bright, but their thought leaders do have an understanding of demographics.
They just want to change them, and I don’t think that they would rule out extreme amounts of violence to get the demographics they want.
Christofascism. Fuck the US.
We are already fucked.
Double fucked
The truth is all this is above America. Live for humanity. Nations are tools for the sinister minded wealthy. If they don’t have tools they can’t work. Live for humanity.
Fuck religion.
Religious participation is plummeting as the compassionate and reasonable people disassociate from Christianity
The right is splintering, and the Kirk shooter being a neonazi shows this
A neo nazi with a trans girlfriend? Now Ive seen everything…
If you have to lie to yourself to make your ideology make sense then it isn’t valid
And what do you call when you are so fucking balls deep in NEEDING to be right, that you all miss the fact that someone made a silly little joke comment…
Jesus, you people really are terrified of being wrong lol
That’s really weird way for you to say “I know I’m wrong but I want to force a narrative anyway”
lol What a sad cunt you are.
Oh man. I bet this article pisses you off.
I’m so sorry to have to point it out. Let me know if you want me to explain why the article is important.
Conservative=/=neo nazi. Fuck, you people are weird.
Stop acting the part if you don’t want the label, Weirdo Actual.
I bet you also call anyone over the age of 18 a boomer too? It must be so hard having to deal with multiple points of view, and that not everyone fits into the little boxes we need to make your brain work.
Conservatives have set a place at their table for Fascists.
If they aren’t fascists then why do they sit with them?
I guess starting my day with a little laughter is a good thing.
I gotta ask, though. Are you a boomer?
I am not. I am not even close to being a boomer. Not that it should matter, as the idea that generational birth would inform my or anyone elses values is pretty weird. You know that TV show the Witcher? Well, one of the producers for the show said that it was so badly written, because the complex nature of the stories would confuse Americans.
When a series is made for a huge mass of viewers, with different experiences, from different parts of the world, and a large part of them are Americans, these simplifications not only make sense, they are necessary. It’s painful for us, and for me too, but the higher level of nuance and complexity will have a smaller range, it won’t reach people. Sometimes it may go too far, but we have to make these decisions and accept them.
At the time I thought, he was wrong. But seeing you all now, its hard to disagree. Most of you are really incapable of seeing the larger picture, and cant follow cause and effect chains for longer than one instance. Too much tiktok and putting feelings of reality. You say them and they say them, but the reality is that theres multiple groups within groups all working independent of each other. Not even MAGA is all just one thing. The most obvious divide there being to release the Epstein files or not. But you all cherry pick each of the groups, for why the whole is the worst. They do it, you do it, and its all just one giant mess of excuses for being cunts to each other all the time. Its not even about winning anymore, its just about the game. About being nasty, and making someone else feel like shit.
And Im sorry, but thats just sad.
This sounds like good news but they currently hold power. This is when they lash out the hardest.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
But don’t you see how great things are in Gaza now? Surely the downfall of democracy was worth it.
Nobody ever said Gaza would be better. We said that Democrats didn’t deserve our vote because they offered no meaningful alternative
It’s on you… The tide is turning, and Israel is done, it’s officially a pariah state and while the price we Palestinians paid is way too high, at least most of the world is awake now. You’re still sleeping.
Democrats did nothing to stop Trump for four years when the fascist plan was in the open and he already attempted to overthrow democracy, they weren’t gonna save this empire. Had they won, the genocide in Gaza would have continued just the same, but you’d be patting yourself on the back having voted for the “lesser evil.”
Decent people rejected your nonviable genocidal candidate, and instead of admitting you were wrong, you’re blaming people who opposed genocide on your dime. You deserve Trump, and you’ll deserve him more when you campaign for Newsom in the future rigged election instead of revolting.
Tl;Dr. Palestine won’t exist in 26’ because of protest voters. Just take accountability for your fuck up and b done with it.
Do you have any evidence that things would be better in Gaza with Harris? Neither Biden or Harris gave any indication they’d be prepared to withhold aid for the genocide.
I’m sorry, I seem to remember Biden endorsing blood libel against the Palestinians on obviously provable false allegations and never correcting himself.
I seem to recall him doing absolutely fucking nothing to slow down the israelis.
Also nothing in response to the Republicans trying to end the Republic in all but name, his reason for fucking being as president.
With your dog shit Democrats we were never going to keep the fascists out of power, this is your fault for parroting The Establishment Democrats’ bullshit. Even now you won’t admit a mistake.
We need new leadership,.
OK tankie.
Username checks out.
That’s not true. Biden would have done the same thing. He drove voters away, not us
It wont remain existing, immaterial of who would have been in the White House.
Biggest sponsor of Israel is US. No more US, no Israeli holocaust.
Take some responsibility. The “we’re an iota better than Trump” strategy lost miserably in 2016, 2024, and would have lost in 2020 if not for covid. And here you are, still spreading blood libel about leftists. Leftists almost universally held their nose and voted for the shitty lesser evil candidate, just like they do every fucking time. But it didn’t matter at all, because nonaffiliated and more casual voters don’t show up unless they have someone to vote FOR not someone to vote AGAINST. Not enough ordinary people, not the people hanging out on lemmy politics subs, but just normal working people, were convinced that Kamala would make any meaningful improvement in their lives. Meanwhile, Trump was making an immoral, but very clear and direct case of “I will raise your wages and lower housing costs by deporting millions of immigrants.” Trump made a direct case for how he was going to improve the lives of some portion of the population. Kamala didn’t. And that’s why she lost.
And no, screaming about democracy doesn’t work. It’s a piss poor election strategy. The vast majority of the population doesn’t feel that we actually live in an effective democracy anyway. People don’t feel the need to protect a system that isn’t serving their interests.
OK tankie.
Yeah, go ahead and name call. That really helped you win last time.
If I’m a tankie, you’re a quisling.
They can’t. It does not compute. Refusing to defeat trump was the only logical, well, moral choice you see.
At least we won’t have survivor’s guilt
Things in Gaza will be totally worth it when it is razed to the ground and a huge Trump resort is built on top of it. Gazans can work as waiters and masseuses where their houses used to be!
At least we stuck it to GeNoCiDe JoE, though
The Democrats went out of their way to spite to the left at every chance and played to the mythical swing voter. A strategy that has never worked more than a one-off. What do you call somebody that keeps doing the same thing expecting different results? Stupid.
Yes, and none of this shit would be happening right now if anyone but trump would have won.
Biden did not change anything. And the point here is that by not changing anything chill out the Republicans to promise to change things and get them elected. How do you not get this?
You’re right about all that. I just get tired of hearing people justify why they stood by and let the orange turd take power again whenever I see news stories like this.
I am not trying to be a dick either, but the same people are still in control of the opposition and fighting under them is doomed to fail. There might be a finality to elections now, we are now facing a pretty aggressive rigging. But since there is a succession battle we could still take it back with a muscular popular reform Party. I just do not want to see America get settled with a kakistocracy, rule of the worst, fixing elections.
Plus bringing the military into domestic affairs, which always ends the same way, the military sees the weakness of the political leaders and the levers of power and they subordinate the politicians and become the true rulers. Honestly the military would be an improvement over these malicious fucking clowns in politics, It could last decades.
When all we need is a new deal to usher in more prosperity for everybody, the grasping Rich included. They have no idea what they are supporting, the monster they’re supporting will destroy them which is the only silver lining here.
I love how y’all love to blame Gaza as if the lack of voters was only to do with that. I mean there were voters who were pro Gaza and voted for fuckin Trump, so I think the Dems “give you nothing” platform was actually an issue.
The Dem’s strategy doesn’t work. It might have worked in 1984 but not now. It’s their fault they keep losing. They can’t act like leftist’s concerns don’t matter yet blame them for their own loss
Exactly. These people are exhausting. Like, have they not seen the current popularity figures of the Democrats? Their popularity is in the shitter because they STILL have no platform beyond “we’re not Trump.” And yet, this thread is still full of centrist muppets blindly parroting, “well, at least they’re better than Trump.” No shit. And that’s why leftists almost universally did vote for Kamala. But then these smug assholes, equipped with a hose running directly from their anus to their nostrils, have the gall to come in here and parrot the same tired rhetoric that caused Kamala to lose in 2024, Hillary to lose in 2016, and would have caused Biden to lose in 2020 if not for Covid.
Just seriously. These dense motherfuckers. When will they realize that being simply better than the Republican isn’t enough to actually win elections. It’s enough to get the left to reluctantly vote for the candidate, but it won’t actually drive out enough ordinary non-politically obsessed people to win an election. People need something to vote FOR. Not something merely to vote AGAINST.
Frankly, at this point, I assume anyone still bitching about leftists not voting for Harris is just a Republican. Non-affiliated and casual voters cost Kamala the election. The leftists almost universally held their nose and voted for Harris. But these Republicans like to foment division on the left, so they try to continually keep the narrative alive that Democrats just need to be a tiny iota better than Republicans, even though that strategy results in a Republican being elected again and again.
Look to the outcomes to understand motives. If following someone’s message results in Republicans winning again and again, odds are good that they’re simply a Republican.
Wanna know something crazy? You can not like the DNC, but still understand that it was fucking stupid to not vote for Harris (as we have all now seen).
I’m so sick of people equating any kind of push back against this bs as making you a shill for the Democratic party. There’s just no room whatsoever for nuance. I’m a bootlicker because I didn’t throw my vote away against literal fascism. Ok.
Most of us here that voted for Harris, did it while holding our noses. WE ARE NOT DNC SHILLS, WE’RE SIMPLY NOT IDIOTS.
You can not like the DNC, but still understand that it was fucking stupid to not vote for Harris (as we have all now seen).
Many of our fellow lefties here have privilege they don’t recognize as having. They have no need for harm minimization because they won’t be targeted first. Its a rather first world problem to keep your self perceived purity clean when your not under seige and can just wait for the perfect candidate. Not everyone has a Mamdani on their ballot.
All war is class war. All war is messy. From my interaction with tankies, anarchist, and otherlefty types and flavors; we don’t have a real movement or willingness to fight.
it’s a big club and we’re not in it…the establishment DNC will refuse reality as long as Trump is alive. they still believe, they have to believe, that the political landscape of america “returns to normal” (code for…can go back to peacefully ratfucking government funds, with their good ol’ boys in the GOP) when trump finally croaks…when that doesn’t materialize is when shit gets real. lotta cope out there riding on that blessed day coming due…
this combination if WallStreet liquidity-parasites, MIC, and AIPAC has ran the USA as a puppet state atleast since the end of WW2, arguably reaches much further back but only after did they start coordinating…they are exceedingly entrenched and have spent the last 70 years building moat after moat built towards the singular purpose of keeping thems in power.
things are going to get even worse… then either much much worse, or alot better, depending on if all these greedy AIPAC motherfuckers see what the NATC party has in store for them vs. what progs have in mind (firing squad or slightly higher taxes…such a hard choice).
Trump really was the perfect spoiler candidate looking back…extensive ties to Epstein (and by extension, all rotten establishment US politicians), dumb as shit with an ego to match…absolutely perfect combination to shine a light on this disfunction we call our government (not to mention making it more clear than ever, how compromised our media-landscape is), on the optimistic outlook that we continue to have elections…trump has single-handedly done more to galvinize the US Left-proper than any other president in living memory
You’re holding up a giant sign that says,
“Surely those people willing to sacrifice another group’s very existence will fight to stand up for MY civil rights!”
This is just the left version of Leopards Eating Faces. No one who supports a genocide will lift a finger to protect your civil rights when they are threatened. The only people they care about are themselves. You are not one of the people that someone like Kamala or Biden consider worthy of respect or even consideration. You are beneath them just like the Gazans. If you support a genocide, you clearly view people as expendable and worthy of giving away at the political bargaining table.
You learned nothing from the “first they came for…” poem.
Seems like a lot of copium to ignore the fact y’all bent over and gaped to let fascism ass fuck all of us and actually make things significantly worse in Palestine and the Middle-East as a whole.
This dipshitery of 'Kamala and Joe wouldn’t have protected your rights either" is a pathetic cope. They had 4 years to spearhead their own fascist takeover. They didn’t. Trump and his party of cronies are speed running it.
All the extra blood in Palestine, here in the US and from all other people MAGA is killing is partially on y’alls hands too. And all for a stupid fucking virtue signal. Pathetic.
And all for a stupid fucking virtue signal.
That should be the chapter title in the history books a century from now. If we still have books.
If these people actually gave a shit about Palestine or minorities and women over here, they’d have voted for Kamala.
Instead their support is entirely hollow theatrics, so they let Trump win and now the Palestinian genocide has been exacerbated beyond comprehension.
Let’s forget a neolib Democrat was president and let an insurrection, election rigging, a child raping conspiracy, and more slide into the background.
You can literally vote blue and shit gets worse and then you’re an asshole for not voting blue. Fucking maga shits of another color.
Ah there’s the “b b blue maga!” Lol.
You figured it out! I used the phrase most likely to annoy “blue no matter who” tribal members. “Blue maga” isn’t going to listen anyways. Might as well control their reaction.
I might get a bunch of stupid replies and one serious one and if I prompt you guys like so it makes it easier to tell at a glance when I check my inbox.
Funny how the blue no matter who people won’t endorse Zoran or any other left candidate that wins a primary.
Never inch left, always give the right what they want.
That’s why nothing will improve. Keep looking back to cast blame rather than coalesce behind popular candidates with popular ideas and even gasp third parties!
Lemmy lefties will spend time convincing ppl not to bote then wonder why we don’t have lefty candidates or at least parts of our platform in a coalition. Pretty sad we don’t have a serious movement.
That’s an interesting strawman. “If you call it out, then you must be annoyed, then you must be a blue maga! That means I controlled their reaction and all replies are stupid!”
Like what kind of bizarre logic is that. I’m calling out the utter bizarreness of this:
Me: “vote”
You: “b b b blue maga!!!”
I can see this isn’t going to go anywhere when you’re so insisted on such a strawman so ciao.
You’re not the main character, weirdo. I used blue maga for a reason. I don’t care why you are calling me out. You care about my choice of words.
You’re a real loser for doing internet drive bys. “You’re a piece of shit anyways I blocked you byeee”
Ah personal attacks. Reported and moving on.
Wait. Are we still talking about protest-non-voters? Trump hand gestures
Got another 3 years and 7 months of informing protest-non-voters what they voted for. Longer if you include time to fix things, which may be never.
You assume that there will be another election, with the current government, this is not a given.
But Harris had a shrill laugh.
… Psst…
The real reason she lost was that she has a vagina. But they know they can’t say that out loud. So, “shrill laugh” it is
what?
you’re totally ignoring that she’s….
‘checks notes’
black
As Josh Johnson said on the daily show: “she’s too young to be president and too old to be a lady.”
Harris was an unpopular sold out corporatist that ran as the status quo and offered zero reform and zero fight against anyone increasingly screwing us, what the fuck did you expect to happen?
You’re right. What is happening now is much better /s
You are trying not to address the point. That with the opposition we have what we have now was inevitable. It makes you made a mistake and help get new leadership or enjoy what we have now, and know it is your fault
Obviously not. It’s the fault of Trump voters and those who failed to vote for Harris. Thats it. It was pretty clear how bad Trump would be. So there’s no excuses. If you didn’t vote to stop Trump, you own Trump.
Voters wanted change and the Democrats ran as the status quo for the third presidential election in a row. Each time picking the most unpopular person they possibly could and then blaming voters when they failed. Those voters did support the Democratic nominee in Biden despite further degeneracy and they did nothing with it. There is not a single chance that the Republicans were not going to get in there and try to put the fix in on elections with these people in charge.
We needed a new deal and we got plutocratic right and a Democratic president further right than George HW Bush.
If voters (or those who didn’t bother) couldn’t see that the status quo was much better than Trump, then they chose stupidly and it’s their fault. The democrats put out a candidate that was better than Trump, that’s all that should matter.
The reason democrats didn’t win was because of the vast right wing media system that biases and spins everything and too many idiotic voters who fall for it. If the democrats went more radical left, that same right wing media system would still do its thing to manipulate the stupid voters, but it would also turn off some intelligent centrists from supporting the democrats. Any non idiotic left wing people would already be voting democrat over Trump. But, alas there are too many idiots in the U.S. and that is why we now have trump and his handlers destroying the country.
People not to vote in Trump.
You have far too high an opinion of humanity.
This pie fed instance will not show me context here. But I presume you are replying to my disparaging the Democrats and blaming them for losing.
The last reform we were offered was in 2008 with healthcare, and that was mostly a failure and the last time they actually fought hard for any sort of Reform that is worth anything. Even then the effort was lacking.
Across the West the left versions of parties have all been seized by conservatives running is the status quo and it is leading to the new right season control and fixing elections.
It would have been easy to stop them, with a real campaign, but not now. I do not see what is so hard to understand, they put some ivy league suits on TV to pass the buck and you guys just buy it don’t you?
I find Lemmy.today is full of trolls for some reason.
Do you notice that?
I just started here so I do not have a baseline, but I do aggressively pick fights on this issue because I want to see us field a slate of candidates that can take the country back before a permanent fix is into tight. An exercise in futility apparently as influence agents and the dupes of the establishment apparently have convinced people to leave the same Aristocrats in charge of the opposition.
It defies reason, we need a new deal and reform not plutocratic rot led by unpopular sold out candidates hand-picked by donors. The candidates still thinking they are playing good cop to Republican bad cop in 1990 even while the Republicans have openly been playing Hitler.
2020 was a gift, even with Biden being unpopular we could have dismantled the part of the party that tried to overthrow democracy and install an autocracy.
Yet we allowed the president to do nothing, to say nothing, to allow our captured federal agencies to fail in their statutory duties without challenge, including the justice department. To let the courts let it happen without rallying the population to pressure them.
To be at 40% popularity for 3 years and not change anything. Then annoint someone at 30% approval the entire term without challeng. Not a single Challenger for leader, or for house or Senate leadership. The party is broken.
I still think not voting Trump in would have been effective.
Real leftists have moved on from the election, while.fake “centrists” are still scapegoating leftists for their own defeat. You didn’t let us make any choices, you can’t blame us for the results
The ones that keep insisting people “move on” are the same as the ones being scolded. Weird how that works.
Keep scolding and watch how much I roll my eyes
Who’s scapegoating? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for. Who’s blaming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
I didn’t vote so that I could enjoy licking the salty tears off of the cheeks of whiny comments like yours.
I notice a trend with ml users.
Lol they deleted my comment.
Anyway, you know that I could just make an alt on another instance? I guess that would confuse you 😆
The lack of introspection is astounding. Ciao.
What should I be reflecting on?
And I notice a trend with Lemmy.world users…
Vile liberal troll farm.
The irony of you saying that is incredible.
Uh huh, so maybe you believe the things you say.
It’s hard to tell, since you just seem like a troll…
No true scotsman
Not even remotely applicable. In what universe is the DNC leftist?
“Real leftists” isn’t a no true scottsman falacy?
Its not. Its highlighting the misuse of the word leftist, which is commonly misappropriated to neoliberal Democrats. Dems are explicitly, by definition not leftist.
I respectfully disagree with your assertion.
That Democrats aren’t leftists? In what universe is that false?
Found the Republican. Republicans never miss a chance to try and stir up shit among the left.
It’s odd that you think informing protest-non-voters that this is what they voted for is stirring shit up. And lol no not republican.
Stop engaging with this troll. Their only purpose is to sow division.
Holy fuck dude, 5 messages from you all the same. Except one where you accuse me of showing division.
Lmao, none of my comments say ‘show division.’ Nice try tho. You’re spamming the same wedge-driving comment across the entire thread. Your agenda is fucking obvious. Gtfoutta here with your right-wing shilling.
Autocorrect, that was supposed to be sow. That you have to attack an obvious typo which really doesn’t even matter is telling. Also funny that you think me responding to people that replied to me is spamming across the entire thread lmao.
But lmao on your last sentence.
Me: “vote”.
You: “must be a right wing shill sowing division!” Lmao. Ciao.
Ps I’m enjoying that feature that shows when accounts are new.
Obvious troll is obvious. That clearly wasn’t a typo. All five of my messages can’t be the same if only one of them was about sowing division. You right-wingers really are that stupid, huh? Fuck off fascist.
Everything republicans do is the progressives’ collective fault, and liberals never do anything wrong ever.
Nice strawman. Also, I am informing protest non-voters what they voted for.
This is the part where this conversation goes off the rails. Removing everything under this. It’s not productive.
This isn’t reddit, we don’t have advertisers we have to appeal to. Do we really need this kind of nannying? Can’t adults have adult discussions, even if they’re arguments that get heated?
I didn’t see the removed content, admittedly, but unless it’s overtly hate speech I can’t understand the need to moderate Lemmy as if it was corporate social media. Like isn’t the whole point that it isn’t?
When it reaches this point, it’s removable, here it did:
I’m not sure the situation is improved by a faux authority figure coming in and shouting “we don’t allow slap fighting here!” They’re assumedly adults, so like… let them slap fight and just deal with the eye rolls from onlookers?
I guess I just don’t understand what benefit this kind of moderation is offering and I believe it’s a holdover from the corporate sanitized social media we’re used to that we can and should eschew.
I can’t speak for others, but I’d rather scroll past and ignore bickering adults than a flood of “removed by moderator.”
Not necessarily objecting or complaining, just expressing a viewpoint. Cheers.
edit: For clarity, I have not checked the modlogs so i don’t know the discourse that happened here. Obviously if somebody is only posting in continual bad faith then that’s a detriment to the community and they and their posts should be removed. Things have nuance and context matters, so I’m not trying to make any blanket statements here and acknowledge my potential specific ignorance in this scenario.
Okay, so I would be equally justified in saying:
Liberals, this is what you get when you assume people must vote for you.
See? Everyone’s at fault and equally awful.
Those supporting The Establishment Democrats are responsible for all of this. So naturally they accuse everybody else and blame the voters for their own mistakes. They knew running is the status quo with dog shit unpopular candidates was not enough to win and they did it anyway. Forced it on us.
There’s way more than enough blame to go around.
No, the blame lies with the aristocrats arrogantly controlling the dem party.
The important part is that we don’t blame the republicans for being complete shits, right?
Okay, so I would be equally justified in saying: Liberals, this is what you get when you assume people must vote for you.
THANK YOU. This far down the road and they’re still ignoring this aspect.
Yes protest voters choosing to make things worse for Palestine and everyone in the US is stupid.
AND liberals and especially the party leadership made a huge miscalculation in assuming everyone would vote for “not Trump.”
Both contributed to the loss. Which is more to blame? There’s a discussion to be had there but imo the overall electoral strategy is a much bigger issue than a handful of stupid people who didn’t vote or voted Trump over this one particular issue
The party leadership isn’t here. Some of the protest voters are. Any statement posted on Lemmy is directed at the voters, not the leadership, and assuming otherwise is arguing in bad faith.
The voters had the opportunity to stop Trump. They didn’t. Many people on Lemmy actively encouraged people to let Trump win. He won. Those are the facts.
What I saw a lot of on Lemmy was democrat supporters and voters insisting that people will just hold their nose and vote for Harris and accusing anybody angry about the ongoing genocide of either supporting Trump or playing into the hands of Russia.
Any statement posted on Lemmy is directed at the voters, not the leadership, and assuming otherwise is arguing in bad faith.
Did I do that? Very confused.
The voters had the opportunity to stop Trump. They didn’t.
Ah yes, it’s all the voters’ fault.
If only the DNC had any power at all in this situation or ability to influence the actions of voters…
Right? They keep acting like the DNC couldn’t have done anything better.
Who’s assuming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
And I’m informing liberals that aren’t blameless in this fascist takeover.
See? We’re both terrible people. Like everyone.
Those who voted for Dems voted against this. Those that protest-non-voted voted for this. Frankly it’s funny watching your mental gymnastics to get away from this.
Guy stop entertaining an ignorant self righteous tankie.
Man if only there was some organization that could have convinced them to vote instead of yelling at them.
No, Liberals aren’t responsible for this, they could have sucked, but in the end you stood by and let the genocidal fascists take over.
You don’t know if I voted or for whom.
And I’m also not the one who decided campaigning with a Cheney was a good idea.
Quit sowing division troll.
You know you spamming this attack 5 times. I’m just gonna report and move on. Ciao.
Yes, not voting is a vote for whoever won, it’s the same reason being “apolitical” doesn’t exist.
Nominating a candidate you know can’t win is voting for the opposition candidate.
Stop blaming the voters, this is all the Democrats’ fault.
They made it clear they were not going to stop them and all anyone was doing was putting their neck out to be later chopped off.
They already knew being better than the other guy was not enough to win elections yet they kept the same strategy of being more sold out and more worthless every election, offered no reform, offered no fight against anybody screwing us, and ran as the status quo against a Republican party running as reform, knowing full well the voters do not know any better.
And here you are parroting The Establishment Democrats’ bullshit to justify staying in power to fail us again in perhaps our last chance to take the country back in 2028 during the succession fight before elections are fixed completely.
Who’s blaming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
This toll is only here to sow division. Stop engaging with them.
You have refused to even read the other poster’s response. And yoiu are wrong.
Buh? How have I refused?
This is an unreasonable take and I am going to fight you for it! Source: I am American
You are passing the buck, not taking responsibility for trusting The Establishment Democrats knew what they were doing, despite them not knowing what they were doing. Doomed to fail strategy and you are blaming the voters for not continually supporting a worthless Democratic party constitutionally opposed to stopping the republicans, even after a direct attempt to kill the Republic in all but name.
No matter how little esteem we afford the American electorate, they always are worse.
The full court press in 2020 led to nothing. It was clear to everybody the Republicans were going to when in 2021. Because of your Democrats you still allowed to run the opposition.
Again: who’s blaming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
Stop engaging with this troll. Their only purpose here is to sow division.
You are passing the buck, refusing to take responsibility for believing The Establishment knew what they were doing.
Lmao you just took the word blame out of your last message as if that changes anything. Lol.
If you want: Who’s
blamingpassing the buck? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
They’re not blaming them, just outlining that this is, in fact, what they voted for.
You think you voted against the current administration? Because there was no world where these Democrats were going to stop the fascists for more than 4 years.
You’re right, it’s better that fascism happened sooner. Fascist accelerationism was definitely the better option. Enjoy what you voted for.
The Democrats had four years to stop fascism and they did absolutely nothing. What was four more years supposed to do?
First of all it is an ad hominem to assume that I did not vote. Second of all, voting changed nothing, the Democrats refuse to be popular enough to stop the republicans, and refused to enforce the law against the Republicans.
No, you’re being a smug asshole. There is a hose running directly from your anus to your nostrils.
Ah personal attacks. Reported and moving on.
This is what Democratic leadership led us to.
Stop making this about the voters. Even if Kamala would have LIED about Gaza and made some amount of concessions, it would have rallied the factions. Her neoliberal ass couldn’t even do that.
Stop making this about the voters.
Now that’s a bizarre take. This is literally what people voted for.
I guess I should have been more particular, and referred to the entire electorate, or at least the electorate that was more inclined to vote for Kamala over Trump.
The current state of American democracy is like having a cancer.
Dnc is the chemotherapy that might give you a few more years of losing sanity slowly, throwing up at all the steps. All the while withholding the medicine which might cure you but that is socialism.
Gop is quackery, it will kill you quicker but will be painful.
Not voting is like not taking any medicine. It is painful, it is guaranteed death but you are not wasting any of your resources on half measures.
Ahh the “b b b b b b b both sides same!”
They literally pointed out the difference between them. It’s both sides suck in different and unique ways.
Both sides are the worst. Not the same.
Like you next wording changes anything.
Bbbb bbbb but Blue Maga!!!
/s
What did i do?
Sorry, wrong number
Not nearly enough protest voters to account for the massive losses of supporters Kamala suffered for her pro-war, pro-genocide, neocon friendly campaign. It was easily one of the worst run campaigns in my lifetime, and despite how abhorrent Trump is, you shouldn’t be surprised at this loss. And you should be ashamed for continuing to blame voters, instead of the failures that are DNC leadership. Who else do we know of who routinely blames the powerless victims for their failures, rather than hold themselves accountable? Be better.
All the Dems had to do was hold a primary in good faith to show they gave a damn about democracy. Couldn’t even do that. Losers.
Who’s blaming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
It doesn’t matter. They are a niche voting block too small to have swayed the election. Stop acting like they are politically relevant enough to be worth poking and just let them be. We gain nothing by pointing fingers at each other when the real villains are right there.
pointing fingers
Who’s pointing fingers? Again, I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
Acting like a child
Ah personal attacks. Always a good sign. Ciao.
You’re highlighting an effect, and you’re pointing out the cause by calling out protest non-voters.
You’re absolutely pointing fingers.
That’s quite the mental gymnastics to informing protest-non-voters what they voted for. It really is.
“Don’t touch a hot stove, Timmy.”
Timmy touches hot stove
“OW!”
“That’s why i told you to not touch the stove, Tim.”
You: “QUIT BLAMING TIMMY!”
Stop engaging with this troll, they’re only here to sow division.
Guess it was more important to make sure children kept getting massacred than winning the Muslim vote in Michigan.
You did it jonne, we have peace in Gaza!
I’m just saying, Democrats didn’t seem to want to do anything to win. They wouldn’t commit to reappointing Lina Khan, for whatever reason decided that running around with a Cheney would be a good idea, and messed up a million other things. It wasn’t just Gaza, they did everything they could to make sure they wouldn’t win, seemingly, in service of the donors.
The donors were happy, gave her more money than Trump got, and they still lost because you need to give the voters something beyond ‘Trump will be worse’.
And that’s after years of gaslighting about how the economy was doing great under Biden while ignoring how much real wages got inflated away from the pandemic until now (and I’m not saying Trump is better on any of those issues, mind you, his voters just tend to not notice when they’re being lied to because the right built an information bubble that’s impervious to the truth).
Well then the best response is the one I already gave: you did it jonne! We now have peace in the middle east! Hurray!
What was Kamala’s plan for achieving peace in the middle east exactly? If you think things would’ve been different with her, she definitely didn’t tell the voters how she’d do that. It was Biden that defunded UNRWA based on fake stories and kicked off this famine.
Dude you SOOO! RIGHT, now we can put the damned muzzis into AMERICAN CAMPS. I mean we sure showed those DemoRATS with GEnoCiDE JOE! Now American Muslims can experience genocide as well!
Read: I didn’t read the article
He never does. Just mindlessly trolls and then sea lions when called out for it.
He says what the mods agree with though so it’s never dealt with, unlike those who point out their sealioning or strawmans
Why accept that your favorite party has issues when you can blame a nebulous group of people? Toss in a dash of “I don’t actually care if people get hurt when my guy does it” sometimes too!
That’s an odd thing to say.
This is such an interesting article, thanks for sharing :)
In general, i’m pro-balkanization mostly because i don’t see a common future for the people in the US anymore, and splitting up the region into smaller communities might have the advantage that people can hold their representatives more directly liable, because they live closer-by.
There’s lots of paternalistic Daddy talk these days that centers on the need to “protect the American people.”
It would be good if the government actually protected the american people from economic hardship. A quarter of americans can’t find jobs who cover life’s needs, and the situation is gonna get much worse over the next 10 years due to automation and AI.
In that sense, implementing a universal basic income would be good, though i’m not sure what the conservative speakers had in mind with that.
According to most reports, his underlying message was reflected in a reckless refrain heard throughout the conference: “You can just do things!”
You might have to.
I’ll take NE & NY together.
I’m sure West Coast can figure out their group.
I don’t give a flying fuck about anyone else.
is NE north east?
GNU England
NE is Nebraska. Dude doesn’t know what they’re saying.
If the USA will split up in the evangelical right and liberal left then you’ll end up with one super power, now unburdened by the anchor weight of the red states, and one theocratic third world banana republic dictatorship that will be unable to feed its own population
At this point, is any red states even able to take care of itself without federal support?
Either way, I’m all for it too, let these antisocial religious idiots suffer in their own little north korea corner, but be sure they won’t get any nukes as they’re very Apocalypse culty
Part of the problem is that the divide is more urban vs rural than state by state. We might end up with dozens of city states with all the tech and money, but none of the staples of life and vast tracts of impoverished rural thocracies that can only survive by selling food and raw materials to the city states.
It’s gonna be real interesting the first time those rural fuckers needs an MRI or complicated surgery, cause that’s all in blueland.
The Bible says medicine is wicked
Can I get a chapter and verse?
Eh, it’s somewhere in the back
I read the Bible, I must have missed that. I recall “is there no balm in Gilead?”
Jesus is your MRI! Pray and He will reveal!
Just like Jesus pays child support and like Jesus heals people…oh wait. Right
Will there be refugee programs for those of us in red states? The second you give these fuckers Gilead, they’ll start culling LGBT people and life will get a lot worse for anyone with the wrong amount of melanin in their skin.
There are many of us that will help get you all to sanity…not enough yet but hopefully we will act right when we need to.
If it happens, I’m going full Tubman. I’ll be the underground railroad to whomever needs to escape.
I imagine Texas, maybe, but it’s a gas station at that point I’d imagine as things that are different to that would probably want to leave.
A lot of everywhere else would be a whole mess with progressive cities being screwed by the rest of the state with many of them leaving before the borders close and those that couldn’t being trapped in hell.
i dunno texas and ohio make a LOT of food
Remember when they put out a document that told us that they were going to do this, and exactly how, and people ignored it or called it “propaganda”?
I feel like the idiots who did this had troll’s calling it propaganda to make folks think it was bullshit
In what way, shadow or form is that christian? It’s fascism. When will the media finally call a spade a spade?
Christians have always been cool with fascism.
[Dietrich Bonhoeffer has entered the chat.]
Christian fascism has been a thing for a loooooong time.
Francis acknowledged that America never had a national myth of a glorious past but thought it was a good idea to invent one. As Ganz archly observed, “the word for the politics that makes a pastiche of past glories to create a new type of regime is ‘fascism.'”
There were always more meanings to “christian”. Some of them rather sinister.
Christians can be fascists.
See the right wing in the USA for an example.
Christofascism is the spade. Fascism is the tool.
Project 2025 is a shit show and would turn the USA into 1979 Iran.
And 1979 Iran was helped to start by the CIA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Iran
America just loves dictatorships so much it wanted a new one here at home.
*is turning. It’s over halfway implemented and accelerating fast
@kinther white and Christian are not synonymous. The largest demographic of Christians are black. It is far more likely that you’re an atheist if you’re white. Christians are anti-racist BY NATURE. There are very few actual white nationalists and zero with any political power, despite what you’ve been told via the hyperbolic Democrat rhetoric and their paid online spokespersons and former mainstream news outlets.
Says “Stormbringer”? Sir, this is not a Nazi bar.
Op meant stromboli.
The current administration is made up of white nationalists, but sure, live in whatever fantasy land you currently believe in.
@ghostlychonk yeah I’m sorry, your ilk lost the right to call anyone a white nationalist. A) Trump condemned white nationalism in the exact same presser where he said there were “fine people on both sides”, but your news outlets cut that out and Biden ran on it AFTER it was debunked. B) MAGA vote for black representatives in predominantly white areas. C) your hyperbolic-ism is out of control you call black, Hispanic, Asian, gay, and trans MAGA white supremacists. Your words hold no power.
Lololol, so you’re saying we should be impressed by the fact that the one time he condemned white supremacy, he immediately contradicted it? K(kk), got it. It’s funny you think that supports your argument 😂🤣
I’m sorry, but your arguments are terrible.
A) if I say I condemn white supremacists, but a protest that turned violent, due to said white supremacists, had fine people on both sides; what conclusion does that leave? One, he lied. He either lied about condemning white supremacists, or he lied about very fine people. Either way, he lied. This produces a loss of trust, words do not hold any meaning by Trump anymore.
B) yeah, imma need to see some data on that one. Bringing the whole country into this, I can’t see it. The fact that there is a disproportionate amount of black representation in congress, disproves this.
C) you’re intentionally ignoring nuance and comprehension skills. When people say MAGAs are white supremacists, it’s guilty by association. If I support Hitler, I am supporting the actions that he took. E.g. It doesn’t matter if I like the guy’s paintings, he still did horrendous things and any good deed is tarnished by his life work of destruction and despair. The same applies to Trump. Also, hyperbolization is the word you’re looking for, not hyperbolic-ism lol.
I highly recommend staying away from YouTube/TikTok debaters. You clearly argue like them; not really arguing points, but trying to elicit emotional reactions. Which just makes you a troll, really. You clearly are intelligent, but you could be so much more if you tried. Read some books, study history. Look at all the things this world has to offer. You will never progress, if you stop learning. Much love to you, mate. I hope you find whatever it is you’re looking for.
K, Nazi.
@ghostlychonk like I said, your words no longer hold power, because I’ve seen your stupid asses call everyone under the sun despite their race, creed, sexuality, gender, etc. a Nazi. It holds no meaning anymore.
Nazisayswhat?
AGREED! People DONT know that it’s actually BLACKIES that are the Racist and NOT us
CorrectWhite Christians!Christians are anti-racist BY NATURE. There are very few actual white nationalists and zero with any political power, despite what you’ve been told via the hyperbolic Democrat rhetoric and their paid online spokespersons and former mainstream news outlets.
Christians are anti-racist BY NATURE
well, this much at least used to be true historically. back 2000 years ago, when christianity was invented, it was normal that each ethnic group had their own religion. i.e. a god represented an ethnicity, instead of an idea.
zoroastrianism, later judaism and christianity tried to change that by making god represent an idea, instead of an ethnic group. you could say it’s the transition from ethnics to ethics.
they welcomed everyone who shared the same ideals as them, (including strangers and foreigners), and that changed the world. it was basically an anti-racist movement and one that tried to focus on intellectual insights and deep convictions instead of birthplace and color of skin.
it is in this context particularly funny that white nationalists are using christianity as a reason for their racism. because that’s literally the opposite of what christianity was invented to do.
i’m well aware that christianity has enshittified a lot in the modern age and that it’s nothing but an empty, hollow word now. just saying.
Pray tell, how is Deuteronomy 23 not a racist text? If you think the Abrahamic tradition has always been one of inclusion and transcendence of ethnic differences, boy you couldn’t be more wrong.
Dude has a username of stormbringer, is trying to deflect for the Nat-C’s and has a comment history of nothing but removed by mod. Gonna go head and block that guy and move on haha.
Damn that’s some “reject the evidence of your eyes and ears” shit
This is completely asinine. Look at the cabinet.
Bad faith actor spitting propaganda. Don’t waste the effort.
Yup, was about to.
@Fandangalo haha! Looking at the color of someone’s skin to determine if their a racist?! Fucking idiots
Ah yes, fully what I meant! Oh no, you got me! I’m so wrong! Omg, I feel so bad now. :(
Please don’t waste your time on me, troll!
@Fandangalo you have no proof otherwise. None of them have said nor done anything publicly to warrant that label. 🤷♂️
@Fandangalo this is the problem with the left. The Democrat politician and their online and media spokes-holes have gassed up the left so badly, they now hallucinate the motivations of people they’ve never met. It’s both pitiful and hilarious to see. You’d think the fact that not a single prediction they’ve made about their political opponents has come true that they would have dropped their news sources by now 🤷♂️
You’re so right! You TOTALLY care about facts.
And I know you’re a big boy who must say the last word. :( Should I stop?
Christians don’t exist “by nature”. While it’s accurate that a true Christian wouldn’t be racist, they don’t exist in meaningful enough numbers to lead the church away from the bigots who’ve overtaken it. Christians would never vote for a pathological liar and admitted sexual deviant, but look where we are. Your concept of Christianity is commendable, but naive and incongruent with reality. The fact you think it’s a political party poisoning the world against Christianity and not the actions of Christians just points out your own biases and propaganda-fed misconceptions. I know Trump is not an actual Christian, but he certainly claims to be and he’s definitely a white supremacist. And since the church put him in power and continue to support him voraciously, they effectively are all racists now. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@PapaStevesy you’re literally insane right now. When was the last time you’ve actually been to any church? Most of them have been preaching lefty talking points lately 😂
Source this out for me. Because atheists are like 1% of the US population at least. There are more white national Christians at your local mega churches than white atheists in the county.
@Lucky_777 lmao how many mega chuches do you think there are?! There’s like the three in the nation. Also I live in St. Louis. There’s literally a church on every block.
A lot of speculation on your part without any evidence to the contrary. If you want to engage in good faith dialogue, be prepared with sources and not personal opinions.
Also your username in itself is a reference to white nationalism, so…
@kinther it’s the name of a fictional sword in a fantasy novel, knucklehead.
@kinther you too have zero evidence that the dreaded white nationalists are everywhere. You’ve been gaslit into thinking anyone who takes pride in national identity is a dangerous Nazi. It’s common in every nation for patriots to hang flags of their national pride. Don’t see you wagging your finger at Mexicans nor Sudanese, nor Chinese. 😂
““Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”” Matthew 25:41-46 If only more people who claimed to follow Christ read and listened to what Jesus actually had to say about the kinds of people they are persecuting.
This might be my new favorite bible quote.
I’ve never had one before. I’ve been aware of a bunch. Maybe I would have chosen Austin 3:16 for a while as a smart ass teenager in the 90s. But now I have one and it’s this.
Maybe it was intentional and maybe it was luck, but to me this brief passage reaches deep into kinds of things that make for happy vs miserable people.
I can’t help but notice how Jesus pretty clearly points out that there is no hierarchy when it comes to caring for one another.
This is my favourite whenever people try to weaponise the Bible. Jesus said that he is the fulfilment of “the law and the prophets”, and even goes so far as to say some of the laws that were given were only because of how messed up the people of Israel were. If Jesus is the fulfilment of “the law and the prophets”, then what he says is authoritative over what is written in the Old Testament.
As an aside, in the Old Testament “God’s wrath” is most often seen in the form of letting a nation destroy themselves (usually Israel) by doing whatever they want instead of what God instructed them to do, which essentially boils down to the verses I originally quoted. Usually that meant being conquered by another nation or famine. Some may say that same sort of thing is playing out for MAGA. The people claiming to represent God have been doing exactly the opposite of what he told them to do, and now they’re getting what they wanted but it’s destroying them.
